Conversation with a Psychopath.

This is a conversation I had in 2004 with an 18-year-old high school senior that I never realized was a psychopath until many years later after studying psychopathy in-depth.

He was aware that he had a problem with feeling compelled to kill people and was aware that if someone didn’t stop him he would murder someone just for the thrill. He had been experiencing urges to mutilate people and watch them bleed since he was in kindergarten.

While he was spilling his guts I played it cool and let him talk until I could find information on him online to find out what school he attended. I found it, contacted the superintendent, and she laughed and told me to prank someone else and hung up so I found his principal’s home number and called him that evening. He didn’t want to believe it. He was convinced this kid had reformed his ways and was doing well because he was working with him personally on a daily basis… just another manipulation.

The scary part is, the principal did not take immediate action and waited 2 days to call the police. The kid barely spent any time in jail, they did not search his home, and he was able to burn his diaries and get rid of his dynamite and continue absorbing himself in violent fantasies.

Note: I gave the principal all of the chat logs in the gallery below that occurred prior to his arrest. Once you read these chats, you’ll be shocked at the fact that the principal waited to take action and this kid was let off the hook.

At the time, I thought he was just an angry kid with a sadistic streak who didn’t want to own his actions. I didn’t realize he was being manipulative and that he was a psychopath.

In hindsight, it’s easy to see his manipulation. He went from spilling his guts to me without reservation, to blaming me for his arrest after finding out I reported him and claiming I linked him to a website that told him how to make bombs (I did not)…

Then, he switched to praising me for giving him the opportunity for a new life and sharing his ideas for a new life, thanking me for saving his life, and when I was no longer convenient to him he denied knowing me, tossing me out like yesterday’s trash.

This is typical psychopathic behavior.

I’ve encountered many people who literally idolize the Columbine shooters over the years, but nobody comes close to this kid. He has since been arrested for petty crimes many times since his first arrest and I would not be surprised if he ended up hurting someone. He’s currently serving time in jail for theft and we are not in contact.

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Many people have asked me for “proof” that I’ve prevented school shootings, including “Bill Ockham,” who claims I supported and encouraged teenagers to shoot up their schools. I have no idea why people think my life experiences are made up of lies, but there should be no question in anyone’s mind about the matter after reading these 76 pages of conversations with one of the individuals I reported for making threats.

The following 76 screen shots are from conversations we had over AOL. I saved the conversations as screen shots, which I transcribed, and at other times I copy/pasted the conversations directly into Word. I combined everything into one document and took screen shots.

The following content is GRAPHIC, so proceed with caution if you’re sensitive.

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The 11 Stages of Communication on Social Media

This is how a typical conversation goes on social media. If you’re lucky, someone will respond to the content in your post. Most people aren’t that lucky.

1. Make your point.
You: “The cow jumped over the moon.”

2. Field irrelevant responses.
Someone: “Cows are dumb.”

You: “Yes, Bob, some cows are dumb. But being smart is not a prerequisite for moon-jumping.”

3. Clarify your point for people who misunderstood your point.
Someone: “I disagree. Nobody should be putting moons in their pasture, that’s animal cruelty making a cow jump over a moon to get to the feed bin.”

You: “Well, that’s not exactly what I’m saying. Nobody placed a moon inside the pasture. The cow was actually wandering around in space and found the moon and decided to jump over for fun.”

4. Question how humans have survived this long.
Someone: “Well, that’s still animal cruelty. You’re an idiot for letting your cow wander around in space.”

You: How did we even get here??

5. Answer questions from people who request clarification to better understand your point.
No one:

6. Field comments from social justice warriors.

Someone: “It doesn’t matter if the cow made her own choice to jump over the moon. It’s still an effect of institutionalized heiferism. Since the dawn of time, only the heifers have been jumping over the moon.

They wouldn’t jump over the moon if the world wasn’t seeded with anti-cow narratives controlled by the left. It’s udderly ridiculous to think that a cow can make her own choice to jump over the moon. They’re being enslaved by the patriarchy.”

You: “Well, we can certainly talk about the cow patriarchy, but I’m pretty sure the cow was just feeling inspired by the cat’s fiddle-playing and you know, jumped for joy.”

7. Field comments from The Contrarians.

Someone: “Why are we even talking about cows? Who cares if they jump over the moon? And if they do, you need to provide proof – pics or it didn’t happen!”

You: “Alrighty then.”

8. Field comments from the deep thinkers.

Someone: “Cows don’t always jump over the moon. I knew a cow once and it never jumped over anything, not even a stick. I understand what you’re trying to say here, but you have to understand, some cows aren’t going to jump over the moon. It’s just not in their nature. Psychologically, cows prefer to stay close to the ground.

The chances of a cow jumping over anything are slim, like 1 in 1,000,000. I know because I have a Ph.D. in Cowology. So, speak for your own cows. My cows would never commit such a useless act.”

You: “Cool, so, I’m talking about my cow that jumped over the moon…”

9. Try to bring the conversation back on point.

You: “I understand that not all cows jump over the moon, but like, my cow did jump over the moon and I’d like to share that experience.”

Everyone:

10. Meet up with someone in person.

Someone: “Oh, hey, I saw your post about the jumping cow.”

You: “Yeah, I don’t want to talk about it.”

11. Get in a time machine and go back to the 1980s before social media existed.

“Were Eric and Dylan Murderers or Heroes?”

Many, many years ago when I was still on Facebook, someone posted a poll asking if Eric and Dylan are heroes. This is a common topic in Columbine-centered groups, and it’s a perfectly valid conversation.

Here’s a screen shot of this poll:

As you can see, my answer was “No” and you can see my profile picture with my dog in a pink sweater. Just stating the obvious in case someone decides to twist my words here.

A couple years ago, someone posted another poll in a Facebook group asking, “are Eric and Dylan murderers or heroes?”

This seems like a pointless, opinionated poll. Who cares how people respond? However, the question itself poses two significant problems. [Watch out – here comes a Long.Ass.Post!]

[Problem #1] Asking if they are “Murderers or Heroes” implies that killing people has the potential to be a heroic act, and when that’s so, it doesn’t count as murder.

Assessing murder as a heroic act (or not) is entirely subjective, and there are only two general groups of people who would consider Eric and Dylan heroes.

The first group consists of people who are misusing the word “hero” in order to make a controversial statement that pisses people off from the safety of their bedrooms. You know, shit disturbers.

The other group consists of people who honestly believe the victims deserved to die that day. This can include people who fully understand they didn’t target people they hated; this group of people agree with killing everyone and don’t believe anyone is truly innocent because they hate humanity.

Defining “Murderer” and “Hero” would eliminate the question all together and reveal it to be no question at all, but a thinly disguised attempt at garnering the agreement and support of people who do consider Eric and Dylan heroes.

Nobody who thinks otherwise would ever pose this question in this way, and certainly not in a poll. [By now, the OP has probably friended everyone who said “hero” or “martyr” or called Eric a “God.”]

[Problem #2] Asking if they are “Murderers or Heroes” causes people to choose one over the other on conscious and subconscious levels. Sometimes the choices won’t be the same. For example, someone who is wrestling with their ability to identify with the shooters might subconsciously choose “heroes” while consciously choosing “murderers” (because that’s what’s “right”) and this will create cognitive dissonance for them.

Neither choice will sit quite right with them on a conscious level. They’ll feel torn. Rolling this question around in their mind will also potentially drive them further into seeing them as heroes because in order to see them as murderers they will need to let go of their identification with them. If they aren’t ready to let that go, then they’re going to stick with “heroes” because it preserves their own self-image and identifying with Eric and Dylan is probably the center of their world.

The question “are they murderers or heroes?” is a loaded question that forces a person to choose between acknowledging an indisputable fact (they are murderers) and embracing an ideology (they were heroes). You can’t pit a fact against an ideology and have a fair question. It’s like saying, “would you like to eat your pasta with a fork or a zebra?” Or, “do you think Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer, or a hero?”

The biggest problem? Those who read this question and embrace the ideology (they were heroes) automatically become at odds with facing the fact that they were murderers. They can’t see both because it’s an either/or question. The question is deeply problematic. It’s a leading question that divides every single person who reads it, even if they don’t reply or take it seriously.

What makes it worse is people have existing associations with what a “murderer” is (lowlife, scumbag, freak, loser, degenerate, evil, etc. then add in all of the opinions they’ve formed while growing up) and because of that existing association, anyone who can identify with Eric and Dylan will be triggered (subconsciously) by the use of the word “murderer” in a negative way. They can’t admit that they are murderers because they equate murderers with (insert negative association here). They equate murderers with scumbags, people who are losers, idiots, etc.

This is why it takes so long for people to come out of the space where they view Eric and Dylan as heroes. The way we discuss the case keeps people in an either/or exclusionary world. That is a dangerous world to live in.

When someone can identify with Eric and Dylan, they can’t acknowledge that they are murderers (scumbags) because that would mean they, themselves, are scumbags.

Questions like this one drive people further into denying the terrible crimes of murder Eric and Dylan committed because it’s an either-or question that pits two options against each other that aren’t either-or options.

It seems like I’m picking apart the question for no good reason, but I’m not. The way people dialogue and converse about incidents like Columbine directly shapes how they continue to view the incident, their world, and shapes how they live their lives.

Our language creates our world and our life.

The question, “Murderers or Heroes?” would never cross the mind of someone who doesn’t admire their actions in some way. Someone who doesn’t consider them heroes would never think to ask people to choose between a fact (they killed people) and the ideology of heroism.

The way we view the world lives in the language we use to describe the world.

What we say shapes everything we experience. One tiny word can close us into a narrow, limited box and we won’t even have a clue that we’re trapped.

For instance, most live in an exclusionary “either-or” world, where they say things like, “I’d like to go to your party, BUT I have to study.” The word “but” leaves no option to do both. The person really believes they must choose between studying and going to the party because they use language that only allows for choosing one over the other.

You could say, “nonsense, they can do whatever they want!” but when you really look at how you speak, and the words you use, you’ll see that your actions follow your words, not theoretical possibilities. And declaring that BUT puts you in a position with zero options other than choosing the party over studying, or vice versa.

The word “but” creates stress when making your decision. It creates the need to weight the pros and cons. “Here are all the reasons I should go to the party instead of studying.” “Here are all the reasons I should stay home and study.”

There’s no room for any other decision-making method in an exclusionary universe where it’s this or that. That’s a serious loss of power.

Living in an inclusionary universe where it’s this and that removes the stress, limitations, and opens up possibility.

“I’d like to go to your party, AND I have to study, so let me figure out a plan.”

You couldn’t even think about figuring out a plan when you said “BUT I have to study.” The word BUT puts an end to all resolutions and possibilities.

And so it is with the way Columbine is discussed… language is everything. The words used, the way questions are formulated, everything, shapes what and how you see Columbine and yourself through that lens…

It’s simple, but not easy.

In an exclusionary, this or that universe, someone might say, “I want to acknowledge that they are murderers, but I understand why they killed, and I can’t reconcile the two.”

There’s no need to reconcile anything. They are murderers and some people understand why they killed. These two facts can co-exist. The original question (are they heroes or murderers) is unfair, leading, and loaded.

The original question is a setup. It’s a question that suggests it’s optional to believe in a fact (they are murderers).

A fair question for discussion or thought would be, “are they heroes or cowards?” Or, “were they justified in their murders?”

Discussing a dichotomy of ideologies (hero/coward) is purely subjective, but at least it’s a fair discussion.